Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".

For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards me,
please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items (no
financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):

"Air Hogs Havoc" helicopter
"Air Hogs Aero-Ace" plane

Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.

Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery. The
transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using NMh
rechargeable in the heli xmitter with no problems).

The heli is recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and is
great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny anti-torque
tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. The heli will
hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small weight
under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
(looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed (though
the heli does not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an inside
toy.

The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or out (in
calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides up-down
through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like the heli, the light
weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I recommend
releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!

Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
immature all your life!"

bumper

On Feb 21, 12:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>
> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards me,
> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items (no
> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>
> "AirHogsHavoc" helicopter
> "AirHogsAero-Ace" plane
>
> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>
> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery. The
> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using NMh
> rechargeable in thehelixmitter with no problems).
>
> Theheliis recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and is
> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny anti-torque
> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. Theheliwill
> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small weight
> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed (though
> thehelidoes not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an inside
> toy.
>
> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or out (in
> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides up-down
> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like theheli, the light
> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I recommend
> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>
> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
> immature all your life!"
>
> bumper

my havoc will not take off anymore it just shakes an the the whole
thing shuts off plz help plz

I bought one of the helis. It never went into forward flight. The
aeromechanics are pretty lame. There is no cyclic, so no way of inducing
real forward flight, especially since the Bell Hiller rotor head promotes
stability. Later generations now have little props, similar to a blimp's,
to provide forward motion.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 21, 12:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
>> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>>
>> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards me,
>> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items
>> (no
>> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>>
>> "AirHogsHavoc" helicopter
>> "AirHogsAero-Ace" plane
>>
>> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
>> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
>> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>>
>> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery. The
>> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using
>> NMh
>> rechargeable in thehelixmitter with no problems).
>>
>> Theheliis recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and is
>> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
>> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny anti-torque
>> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. Theheliwill
>> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small
>> weight
>> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
>> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed
>> (though
>> thehelidoes not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
>> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an inside
>> toy.
>>
>> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or out
>> (in
>> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
>> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides
>> up-down
>> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
>> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like theheli, the light
>> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I
>> recommend
>> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>>
>> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
>> immature all your life!"
>>
>> bumper
>
> my havoc will not take off anymore it just shakes an the the whole
> thing shuts off plz help plz
>

First, try changing the batteries in the transmitter/charger. I've found
that when the batteries start to run down, the heli won't get a descent
charge.

bumper
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 21, 12:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
>> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>>
>> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards me,
>> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items
>> (no
>> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>>
>> "AirHogsHavoc" helicopter
>> "AirHogsAero-Ace" plane
>>
>> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
>> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
>> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>>
>> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery. The
>> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using
>> NMh
>> rechargeable in thehelixmitter with no problems).
>>
>> Theheliis recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and is
>> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
>> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny anti-torque
>> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. Theheliwill
>> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small
>> weight
>> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
>> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed
>> (though
>> thehelidoes not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
>> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an inside
>> toy.
>>
>> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or out
>> (in
>> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
>> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides
>> up-down
>> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
>> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like theheli, the light
>> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I
>> recommend
>> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>>
>> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
>> immature all your life!"
>>
>> bumper
>
> my havoc will not take off anymore it just shakes an the the whole
> thing shuts off plz help plz
>

There are three ways to gain forward flight. Add about 2.5 grams of weight
to the nose, twist the tail rotor clockwise maybe 10 degrees (looking from
the rear), or add a "canard" sort of wing at the front and the downwash will
tip the nose down. I did the first two.

As to no cyclic, what do you expect for 30 bucks? I'm amazed it flies!!

bumper
"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
. ..
>I bought one of the helis. It never went into forward flight. The
>aeromechanics are pretty lame. There is no cyclic, so no way of inducing
>real forward flight, especially since the Bell Hiller rotor head promotes
>stability. Later generations now have little props, similar to a blimp's,
>to provide forward motion.
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Feb 21, 12:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
>>> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>>>
>>> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards
>>> me,
>>> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items
>>> (no
>>> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>>>
>>> "AirHogsHavoc" helicopter
>>> "AirHogsAero-Ace" plane
>>>
>>> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
>>> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
>>> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>>>
>>> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery. The
>>> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using
>>> NMh
>>> rechargeable in thehelixmitter with no problems).
>>>
>>> Theheliis recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and
>>> is
>>> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
>>> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny
>>> anti-torque
>>> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. Theheliwill
>>> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small
>>> weight
>>> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
>>> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed
>>> (though
>>> thehelidoes not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
>>> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an inside
>>> toy.
>>>
>>> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or out
>>> (in
>>> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
>>> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides
>>> up-down
>>> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
>>> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like theheli, the light
>>> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I
>>> recommend
>>> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>>>
>>> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
>>> immature all your life!"
>>>
>>> bumper
>>
>> my havoc will not take off anymore it just shakes an the the whole
>> thing shuts off plz help plz
>>
>
>

Bumper,

The batteries were in great shape. I did the nose weight routine, but that
was not all the effective. It would try to move forward, but the
stabilizing effects of the rotor fought it. And if it did move forward, it
lost the hovering capability.

I had actually bought this as a thank you gift for a buddy that's letting me
fly his J-4. Now that he's bought abouth 4-5 other helicopters, all
improvements over this one, I'm going so see if I can get the old one from
him so I can rip out the innards and migrate it to an indoor penny plane
design.

Amazing to think that we even have these micro miracles. Just five years
ago, they were a dream. I can't wait to see what the next two years bring!
"bumper" > wrote in message
...
> There are three ways to gain forward flight. Add about 2.5 grams of weight
> to the nose, twist the tail rotor clockwise maybe 10 degrees (looking from
> the rear), or add a "canard" sort of wing at the front and the downwash
> will tip the nose down. I did the first two.
>
> As to no cyclic, what do you expect for 30 bucks? I'm amazed it flies!!
>
> bumper
> "Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>I bought one of the helis. It never went into forward flight. The
>>aeromechanics are pretty lame. There is no cyclic, so no way of inducing
>>real forward flight, especially since the Bell Hiller rotor head promotes
>>stability. Later generations now have little props, similar to a blimp's,
>>to provide forward motion.
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> On Feb 21, 12:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
>>>> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>>>>
>>>> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards
>>>> me,
>>>> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items
>>>> (no
>>>> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>>>>
>>>> "AirHogsHavoc" helicopter
>>>> "AirHogsAero-Ace" plane
>>>>
>>>> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
>>>> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
>>>> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>>>>
>>>> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery.
>>>> The
>>>> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using
>>>> NMh
>>>> rechargeable in thehelixmitter with no problems).
>>>>
>>>> Theheliis recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and
>>>> is
>>>> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
>>>> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny
>>>> anti-torque
>>>> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. Theheliwill
>>>> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small
>>>> weight
>>>> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
>>>> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed
>>>> (though
>>>> thehelidoes not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
>>>> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an
>>>> inside
>>>> toy.
>>>>
>>>> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or
>>>> out (in
>>>> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
>>>> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides
>>>> up-down
>>>> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
>>>> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like theheli, the light
>>>> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I
>>>> recommend
>>>> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
>>>> immature all your life!"
>>>>
>>>> bumper
>>>
>>> my havoc will not take off anymore it just shakes an the the whole
>>> thing shuts off plz help plz
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jim,

I've returned a couple of these helicopters that were bad out of the box.
One wouldn't get out of ground effect no matter what. The other wouldn't
trim.

The little biplane is fun, though, and I can fly it in my hangar. It can
even crash into a 1/1 scale ASH26E with no apparent damage to either
aircraft.

bumper


"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
. ..
> Bumper,
>
> The batteries were in great shape. I did the nose weight routine, but
> that was not all the effective. It would try to move forward, but the
> stabilizing effects of the rotor fought it. And if it did move forward,
> it lost the hovering capability.
>
> I had actually bought this as a thank you gift for a buddy that's letting
> me fly his J-4. Now that he's bought abouth 4-5 other helicopters, all
> improvements over this one, I'm going so see if I can get the old one from
> him so I can rip out the innards and migrate it to an indoor penny plane
> design.
>
> Amazing to think that we even have these micro miracles. Just five years
> ago, they were a dream. I can't wait to see what the next two years
> bring!
> "bumper" > wrote in message
> ...
>> There are three ways to gain forward flight. Add about 2.5 grams of
>> weight to the nose, twist the tail rotor clockwise maybe 10 degrees
>> (looking from the rear), or add a "canard" sort of wing at the front and
>> the downwash will tip the nose down. I did the first two.
>>
>> As to no cyclic, what do you expect for 30 bucks? I'm amazed it flies!!
>>
>> bumper
>> "Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>>I bought one of the helis. It never went into forward flight. The
>>>aeromechanics are pretty lame. There is no cyclic, so no way of inducing
>>>real forward flight, especially since the Bell Hiller rotor head promotes
>>>stability. Later generations now have little props, similar to a
>>>blimp's, to provide forward motion.
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>> On Feb 21, 12:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
>>>>> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards
>>>>> me,
>>>>> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related
>>>>> items (no
>>>>> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>>>>>
>>>>> "AirHogsHavoc" helicopter
>>>>> "AirHogsAero-Ace" plane
>>>>>
>>>>> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
>>>>> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
>>>>> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery.
>>>>> The
>>>>> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using
>>>>> NMh
>>>>> rechargeable in thehelixmitter with no problems).
>>>>>
>>>>> Theheliis recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and
>>>>> is
>>>>> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
>>>>> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny
>>>>> anti-torque
>>>>> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. Theheliwill
>>>>> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small
>>>>> weight
>>>>> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
>>>>> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed
>>>>> (though
>>>>> thehelidoes not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
>>>>> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an
>>>>> inside
>>>>> toy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or
>>>>> out (in
>>>>> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops,
>>>>> the
>>>>> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides
>>>>> up-down
>>>>> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by
>>>>> differentially
>>>>> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like theheli, the light
>>>>> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I
>>>>> recommend
>>>>> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can
>>>>> stay
>>>>> immature all your life!"
>>>>>
>>>>> bumper
>>>>
>>>> my havoc will not take off anymore it just shakes an the the whole
>>>> thing shuts off plz help plz
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

On Feb 21, 3:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>
> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards me,
> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items (no
> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>
> "Air Hogs Havoc" helicopter
> "Air Hogs Aero-Ace" plane
>
> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>
> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery. The
> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using NMh
> rechargeable in the heli xmitter with no problems).
>
> The heli is recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and is
> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny anti-torque
> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. The heli will
> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small weight
> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed (though
> the heli does not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an inside
> toy.
>
> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or out (in
> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides up-down
> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like the heli, the light
> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I recommend
> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>
> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
> immature all your life!"
>
> bumper

Bumper,

My 5 year old is seriously intrigued by the Aero-Ace. I had told him
that he could have one once he turns 7. However, having watched him
do a perfect ILS with the A300 on Microsoft Flight Simulator, I'm
rethinking whether he needs to wait that long. So, not suggesting
that you have the mentality of a 5 year old, but what say you? Is
this something that an "air minded" kid could handle?

Erik Mann (LS8-18 P3)

p.s. Several club members have remarked on my MkII Yaw String.
Maybe I'll become an authorized reseller :-) Let's see, at 5%
comission, that means I only need to sell about 500 of them to pay for
a nice dinner out with the wife.

Bumper,

The ground effect failure mode is what we saw. No chance of returning it
now....between him, his 11 year old and 9 year old, it is a goner.

Hey, you ever get into indoor hand launch gliders? You have the
hangar....could be fun!


"bumper" > wrote in message
...
> Jim,
>
> I've returned a couple of these helicopters that were bad out of the box.
> One wouldn't get out of ground effect no matter what. The other wouldn't
> trim.
>
> The little biplane is fun, though, and I can fly it in my hangar. It can
> even crash into a 1/1 scale ASH26E with no apparent damage to either
> aircraft.
>
> bumper
>
>
> "Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Bumper,
>>
>> The batteries were in great shape. I did the nose weight routine, but
>> that was not all the effective. It would try to move forward, but the
>> stabilizing effects of the rotor fought it. And if it did move forward,
>> it lost the hovering capability.
>>
>> I had actually bought this as a thank you gift for a buddy that's letting
>> me fly his J-4. Now that he's bought abouth 4-5 other helicopters, all
>> improvements over this one, I'm going so see if I can get the old one
>> from him so I can rip out the innards and migrate it to an indoor penny
>> plane design.
>>
>> Amazing to think that we even have these micro miracles. Just five years
>> ago, they were a dream. I can't wait to see what the next two years
>> bring!
>> "bumper" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> There are three ways to gain forward flight. Add about 2.5 grams of
>>> weight to the nose, twist the tail rotor clockwise maybe 10 degrees
>>> (looking from the rear), or add a "canard" sort of wing at the front and
>>> the downwash will tip the nose down. I did the first two.
>>>
>>> As to no cyclic, what do you expect for 30 bucks? I'm amazed it flies!!
>>>
>>> bumper
>>> "Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>>I bought one of the helis. It never went into forward flight. The
>>>>aeromechanics are pretty lame. There is no cyclic, so no way of
>>>>inducing real forward flight, especially since the Bell Hiller rotor
>>>>head promotes stability. Later generations now have little props,
>>>>similar to a blimp's, to provide forward motion.
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>>> On Feb 21, 12:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
>>>>>> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards
>>>>>> me,
>>>>>> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related
>>>>>> items (no
>>>>>> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "AirHogsHavoc" helicopter
>>>>>> "AirHogsAero-Ace" plane
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
>>>>>> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
>>>>>> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm
>>>>>> using NMh
>>>>>> rechargeable in thehelixmitter with no problems).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Theheliis recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote,
>>>>>> and is
>>>>>> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
>>>>>> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny
>>>>>> anti-torque
>>>>>> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control.
>>>>>> Theheliwill
>>>>>> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small
>>>>>> weight
>>>>>> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom
>>>>>> clockwise
>>>>>> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed
>>>>>> (though
>>>>>> thehelidoes not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
>>>>>> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an
>>>>>> inside
>>>>>> toy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or
>>>>>> out (in
>>>>>> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides
>>>>>> up-down
>>>>>> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by
>>>>>> differentially
>>>>>> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like theheli, the
>>>>>> light
>>>>>> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I
>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can
>>>>>> stay
>>>>>> immature all your life!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bumper
>>>>>
>>>>> my havoc will not take off anymore it just shakes an the the whole
>>>>> thing shuts off plz help plz
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I'm going so see if I can get the old one
> >> from him so I can rip out the innards and migrate it to an indoor penny
> >> plane design.
>
YEAH! The first one I saw was the "Helix" which uses a tiny fan on
each side to drive it forward, backward and (differentially) to yaw
it. My first thought was that one of the tiny fan motors could fly
something between a mini-stick and an EZB!!! I've gotten the word out
to most of my friends that I want the wreckage of any flying toys.
As an aside. I flew models from 1960 to 2001. During that time I
flew U/C, RC, Indoor, and assorted outdoor FF. I had friends that
started taking flying lessons, and then we'd stop seeing them. I
swore I'd NEVER quit modelling. I started soaring in 2001, and guess
how many planes I've built or even flown since then......sigh.

Jim

If you want some real Heli fun try the Blade CX2, complete with radios
& batt charger $190

Much more fun than the PicooZ, I got one a couple of months ago and am
flying all over the hanger now.

Yes the RC Models are moving ahead so fast in the last 5-10 years, I
wonder what we'll have 5 years out?

Has anyone seen one of the kids, yes they don't have drivers lic yet!,
fly the fully aerobatic helis? Totaly amazing what they can do!

Wayne

I rather like the idea of keeping at least some of the attributes of a 5
year old. One only grows old once, but you stay immature all your life . . .
just ask my wife.

Your 5 year old will have a ball with the Aero Ace biplane.

bumper

"Papa3" > wrote in message
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> On Feb 21, 3:38 pm, "bumper" > wrote:
>> Or what to do when the weather says, "no soaring".
>>
>> For those who don't get out enough (no rude comments directed towards me,
>> please), you may not have heard of the following aviation related items
>> (no
>> financial or other connections with this, but they sure is fun!):
>>
>> "Air Hogs Havoc" helicopter
>> "Air Hogs Aero-Ace" plane
>>
>> Both are $30 or less, and available at Wal-Mart, or Target, or maybe
>> on-line. Wal-Mart seems to sell out quickly but they restock just as
>> quickly - - these items are going like hot cakes.
>>
>> Both are powered by a built-in lithium polymer rechargeable battery. The
>> transmitter / charger is powered by 6 AA alkaline batteries (I'm using
>> NMh
>> rechargeable in the heli xmitter with no problems).
>>
>> The heli is recommended for indoor use only, has an infrared remote, and
>> is
>> great for strafing the wife in the kitchen while she tries to prepare
>> supper. Remote controls up/down (main rotor speed) and a tiny anti-torque
>> tail rotor is both trimmable and provides turning control. The heli will
>> hover still with little forward movement as received. Putting a small
>> weight
>> under the nose (included) or slightly twisting the tail boom clockwise
>> (looking from the rear) about 5 degrees, will provide forward speed
>> (though
>> the heli does not go fast enough to go into transitional lift). The IR
>> control can be overwhelmed in bright sunlight, so it really is an inside
>> toy.
>>
>> The Aero-Ace biplane is also lightweight and can be flown indoors or out
>> (in
>> calmer wind conditions). Remote is RF (27 Mhz) and if signal drops, the
>> planes two counter-rotating props will stop. Remote control provides
>> up-down
>> through an increase or decrease in throttle, and turn by differentially
>> changing prop speed. It's easy to fly as well. Like the heli, the light
>> weight means you can do multiple crashes with no damage, though I
>> recommend
>> releasing the throttle when you know a crash is imminent!
>>
>> Oh, and please remember, "You only grow old once . . . but you can stay
>> immature all your life!"
>>
>> bumper
>
> Bumper,
>
> My 5 year old is seriously intrigued by the Aero-Ace. I had told him
> that he could have one once he turns 7. However, having watched him
> do a perfect ILS with the A300 on Microsoft Flight Simulator, I'm
> rethinking whether he needs to wait that long. So, not suggesting
> that you have the mentality of a 5 year old, but what say you? Is
> this something that an "air minded" kid could handle?
>
> Erik Mann (LS8-18 P3)
>
> p.s. Several club members have remarked on my MkII Yaw String.
> Maybe I'll become an authorized reseller :-) Let's see, at 5%
> comission, that means I only need to sell about 500 of them to pay for
> a nice dinner out with the wife.
>